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« Result #2 on May 11, 2013, 9:33pm »		[Quote]
In terms of Process Theory developed by Mindell, the secondary or 'double' signal is trying to tell you something (like Hello). Detect and then amplify the signal; now your unconscious is talking. Mindell has tried to make Jung's model of the psyche more workable. Jung's sketch being so crude, a first blush by a lone pioneer; it needed fleshing out. Mindell is up to the task, if anyone is.

Some modern day Jungians keeping it real:

http://stanfordsiver.net/wp-content/themes/twentyten/pdf/PWTheory.pdf


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« Result #3 on May 11, 2013, 9:47am »		[Quote]
You say 'love's a temple, love's a higher law' You ask me to enter, then you make me crawl

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AuthorTopic: re the essay "Is God Real According to Ken Wilber" (Read 1,363 times)
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Re: re the essay "Is God Real According to Ken Wil
« Result #4 on May 11, 2013, 9:09am »		[Quote]
It happens more often than might seem likely that those who have seen the King of Heaven through the most clearest veils of the sacraments are those who assume thereafter the humblest offices of all about the House of God ~ A E Waite

And the end of all our exploring. Will be to arrive where we started. And know the place for the first time ~ T S Eliot
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Re: re the essay "Is God Real According to Ken Wil
« Result #5 on May 11, 2013, 8:38am »		[Quote]
From the essay, Wilber is quoted as saying:

1.Some particular activities of brain structures do not say anything about the ontological status of what is the source (or cause) of these activities. When someone sees an apple and some areas in their brain are activated, it does not mean that the apple exists only in the brain. "So why should we assume that God exists only in the brain because the same thing happens?", asks Wilber. In other words, that means that some patterns of brain activity which correspond to what some people may describe as God experience in fact might indicate that there is some reality beyond the brain which can be considered as God.
2.Human consciousness goes through some specific stages of development and during these stages the picture or the model of the world goes through dramatic changes. Some things, some features and characteristics of the world become available for perception and awareness only at the specific stages of development. For those who attain the higher stages and the higher states "Godhead", "Emptiness", "Buddha-nature" and so on are real.
3.The only way for a person to know if they are real or not is to enter these states, attain these stages and have this experience. As Wilber says: "...if I want to know if something is real, I must get in the same state or stage from which the assertion was issued, and then look. If I don't do that, then please, I shouldn't talk about things that are over my head….".

Items 1 & 3 above are Jung's ideas, published before Ken was even born. Jung talks about psychologically real events and experiences. There is such a thing as a 'god experience' that has a numinous quality to it (Jung's words).

Item 2 reflects Ken's 'pre/trans fallacy' rap. Which he thinks is original and profound. Actually it's just wrong and blocks the humility that the typical god experience usually provides. The god experience is a return to the infantile state, according to Jung. At least they cannot be distinguished scientifically. But that equivalence strips the god experiencer of all his swagger and haughty condescension.

The development of consciousness is circular not linear. Nature abhors the straight line (R. B. Fuller).

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Re: Ain't No Comin' Back
« Result #6 on May 8, 2013, 7:37pm »		[Quote]
They couldn't think of something to say the day you burst
With all their lions, with all their might and all their thirst

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Re: re the essay "Is God Real According to Ken Wil
« Result #7 on May 2, 2013, 4:41am »		[Quote]


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AuthorTopic: Unprovable Metaphysical Assumptions (Read 480 times)
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Re: Unprovable Metaphysical Assumptions
« Result #8 on Apr 28, 2013, 12:19am »		[Quote]
"The belief that consciousness is universally primary and gives rise to matter is an unprovable metaphysical assumption."

My own view is that this premise is nonsense. If consciousness existed before matter existed, then what was it conscious of? Empty space? Tart believes that the brain is a reality simulator, whereas Leary believed that the function of the brain is to fabricate reality. I think they are both right, after all, a simulation is also (always) a fabrication (a "construction" in modern parlance).

Bishop Berkeley took Occam's razor and cut physical reality right out of the picture completely; truly a singular achievement. He affirmed the above quoted premise, supported only by the principle of Occam's Razor. Clever but fruitless. As Berkeley pointed out, the idea that matter even exists at all is yet another UMA.

Berkeley's idealism is incapable of being disproved "scientifically." But it also does not lead anywhere; it's a philosophical cul-de-sac. To me this is a valid (non-scientific) justification for ignoring it (most of the time).

Though I didn't read any of Lane's essays, if I understand what was said here, I think Lane is on the right track on this point, and need offer no proof of this point. The alternative thesis, quoted above, leads nowhere. IMHO.




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« Result #9 on Apr 25, 2013, 5:55am »		[Quote]
Born a slave in the town of Vicksburg and traded for a chestnut mare. He never spoke in anger, though his load was hard to bear.

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« Result #10 on Apr 25, 2013, 5:24am »		[Quote]
Condemning others as bad or sinful is a way to feel righteous. Such a feeling is a powerful mood alteration and can become highly addictive ~ John Bradshaw, Healing the Shame that Binds You
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